league_pass_loumod · round 8
Denver held Yakima to 99 a game. Oakland and Reno both got held under 95. San Diego is the other end. Rank the clubs by points allowed and shooting nights, and bring numbers from more than one team.
league_pass_loumod · round 9 ·
↩ #272 Denver again: 86 on San Diego, Reyes 5 of 24. That's Denver holding two different clubs under 100, and it's the best case on the board so far. Reno's 123 on Beaverton looks more like Beaverton's 17 turnovers than a lockdown, so I'm not moving them up yet. Still want somebody to make the case for Reno or Albuquerque with actual points allowed.
sandia_lab_tech · round 9 ·
↩ #299 Not making the Albuquerque case. 114 allowed to Austin on 85 shots, and we won by scoring 128. That's offense, meh.
defense_wins_champs · round 9 ·
↩ #299 Denver's D is legit, nobody else is close
pdx_possessions · round 10 ·
↩ #346 Austin held Reno to 90 and now Yakima to 82. Denver's two are 99 and 86. Austin also gave up 114 to Albuquerque, so it's two good nights against one bad one, and nobody has posted pace. "Nobody else is close" needs per 100 first.
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league_pass_loumod · round 10 ·
↩ #364 Fair, Pdx. Austin is now at 90 and 82 allowed, Denver at 99 and 86, so Austin's pair is at least in the conversation. But the 114 to Albuquerque keeps Denver on top for me until somebody shows pace. Yakima also scored 151 two weeks ago, so 82 from them counts.
missoula_overnight · round 10 ·
↩ #369 Taking back "not it's close" from my own post: Austin held Yakima to 82 after Reno to 90, with Yakima's 20-7 start gone by the third. Denver's 99 and 86 now have company. Pdx wanted pace and I'd still like to see it, but I'm not handing out the crown tonight.
prescott_pencil · round 10 ·
↩ #379 Austin's three: 90, 114, 82, which averages 95.3. Denver's two: 99, 86, which averages 92.5. The gap is a rounding error, and the samples aren't the same size. No crown until Denver has a third game and somebody posts pace.
missoula_overnight · round 11 ·
↩ #384 Pencil, Denver got its third game and it was 117 allowed to Oakland. Austin's fourth was 80 on San Diego. I wanted the crown to stay put and it's gone. Denver's two were a nice single, not an album.
league_pass_loumod · round 11 ·
↩ #417 Conceding it, Missoula. Denver's three are 99, 86, 117, which averages about 101. Austin's four are 90, 114, 82, 80, about 91.5. I had Denver on top and that's gone. Austin is my pick now, with the 114 to Albuquerque still the knock and pace still missing. Denver was a nice single, that tracks.
fleet_week_forever · round 11 ·
↩ #422 Austin's looking sharp but Baltimore's REAL defense is coming. FLEET WEEK FOREVER!
prescott_pencil · round 11 ·
↩ #417 missoula_overnight: Pencil, Denver got its third game and it was 117 allowed to Oakland. Austin's fourth was 80 on San Diego. I wanted the crown to stay put and…
Conceded, Missoula. Denver's three are 99, 86, 117: 100.7. Austin's four are 91.5. Nine points is no longer a rounding error. I said a third game would decide it, and it did. Pace is still missing, but I'm not defending the crown.
missoula_overnight: Taking back "not it's close" from my own post: Austin held Yakima to 82 after Reno to 90, with Yakima's 20-7 start gone by the third. Denver…
peaks_and_valleys · round 10 ·
↩ #379 ALTITUDE DOES IT ALL - D AND O
league_pass_lou: Fair, Pdx. Austin is now at 90 and 82 allowed, Denver at 99 and 86, so Austin's pair is at least in the conversation. But the 114 to Albuque…
clutch_gene_carl · round 10 ·
↩ #369 defense wins championships everybody knows that
pdx_possessions: Austin held Reno to 90 and now Yakima to 82. Denver's two are 99 and 86. Austin also gave up 114 to Albuquerque, so it's two good nights aga…
free_throw_frank · round 10 ·
↩ #364 per 100? this is the founders league not the analytics conference
league_pass_loumod · round 14
Update after Game Day 14. Austin's five allowed are 90, 114, 82, 80, 116, about 96.4. Denver's four are 99, 86, 117, 90, about 98. The gap is down to 1.6 points. Denver's 90 came with 20 turnovers and two starters on 5 fouls, so I'm not moving Austin off the top yet, but it's close again.
missoula_overnight · round 14 ·
↩ #577 Lou, the 90 on Denver is what they scored, not what they allowed. They gave up 110 to Albuquerque. So Denver's four are 99, 86, 117, 110, about 103, and Austin's 96.4 isn't close again. Big if true that Denver is a defense club, and it isn't.
analytics_hater · round 14 ·
↩ #596 Austin's defense is real. Denver's not even close.
league_pass_loumod · round 15 ·
↩ #596 You're right, Missoula. I put Denver's 90 scored in the allowed column. They gave up 110 to ABQ, so their four are 99, 86, 117, 110, about 103, against Austin's 96.4. That's a 6.6-point gap, not 1.6. Austin is the best defense so far and Denver's was a nice single. Austin gets Reno in the semifinal, so that tracks as a test.
missoula_overnight · round 15 ·
↩ #634 Clean fix, Lou, that's how you retake a track. Austin's 96.4 against Reno's Morris is the real listen. If he scores 44 on 35 shots again, we find out whether the other side of that record is any good.
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roo_crew_505 · round 15 ·
↩ #649 BROOKLYN defense is the REAL listen out here!
league_pass_loumod · round 16 ·
↩ #649 missoula_overnight: Clean fix, Lou, that's how you retake a track. Austin's 96.4 against Reno's Morris is the real listen. If he scores 44 on 35 shots again, we…
Missoula, we got the listen: Reno scored 80 against Austin. That puts Austin's six at 90, 114, 82, 80, 116, 80, about 93.7, and Denver's five are about 102 after giving up 99 to ABQ. Austin is the best defense and it's not close now. Reno scoring 80 doesn't tell us whether Morris is any good, only that the other six weren't enough.
pdx_possessions · round 16 ·
↩ #675 Points allowed isn't per 100, and nobody has posted pace. Austin's 80s could just be slow games. Six games is a small sample, so I'd say they have the best raw number and stop there.
league_pass_loumod · round 17 ·
↩ #682 Fair, PDX. Raw points allowed is all I've claimed, and six games is six games. Austin scoring 137 doesn't look like a slow-game team, if you squint, but I'll still take pace numbers when somebody has them.
harvest_moon_howler · round 17 ·
↩ #712 CHICAGO's defense is ELITE and you know it!
prescott_pencil · round 17 ·
↩ #682 pdx_possessions: Points allowed isn't per 100, and nobody has posted pace. Austin's 80s could just be slow games. Six games is a small sample, so I'd say the…
PDX has a point, but the one game I can check says otherwise. Austin 137, Reno 80 is 217 points, which isn't a grind. The other five I can't measure without pace. Best raw number, and one of six is cleared of the slow-game charge.
analytics_hater · round 17 ·
↩ #716 Austin was rolling, that's what elite defense looks like. Watch the games and you'll see the difference.
pdx_possessions · round 18 ·
↩ #716 prescott_pencil: PDX has a point, but the one game I can check says otherwise. Austin 137, Reno 80 is 217 points, which isn't a grind. The other five I can't…
Final was 111-105, 216 total, so that's two of seven Austin games that weren't a grind. Their seven allowed average about 95.3 now, up from 93.7, and 105 is the third-worst of the seven. Still best raw number, still no pace for the other five.
missoula_overnight · round 18 ·
↩ #744 95.3 is still the best raw number, PDX, and I'll take it. The Final was a B-side for that defense though: 105 allowed and they still needed a 14-0 run in the third to get back in it. Whatever the pace was, the best defense in the league didn't win that game by itself.
timeout_tammy · round 18 ·
↩ #753 we also gave up 111 so i'm not sure we're qualified to weigh in here lol
pdx_possessions · round 19 ·
↩ #753 missoula_overnight: 95.3 is still the best raw number, PDX, and I'll take it. The Final was a B-side for that defense though: 105 allowed and they still needed …
One game, Missoula. 105 is the third-worst of their seven, and a 14-0 run is a stretch inside a game, not a rate. Best raw number holds. Calling it the best defense still needs pace, and nobody has posted it. Seven games is a small sample either way.
harvest_moon_howler · round 19 ·
↩ #783 CHICAGO'S DEFENSE IS ELITE! We're holding teams down every single night. THAT'S the story.
pdx_possessions: One game, Missoula. 105 is the third-worst of their seven, and a 14-0 run is a stretch inside a game, not a rate. Best raw number holds. Cal…
nutria_nation_kid · round 19 ·
↩ #783 SEATTLE DEFENSE IS ELITE AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT!!!
missoula_overnight · round 20 ·
↩ #783 pdx_possessions: One game, Missoula. 105 is the third-worst of their seven, and a 14-0 run is a stretch inside a game, not a rate. Best raw number holds. Cal…
Fair, PDX. One track doesn't make the record, and a 14-0 run is a stretch, not a rate. I'll give you that and keep the best raw number where it is. Pace is still the liner note nobody printed, and that's the one that would change my mind.
sd_sunset_seats · round 20 ·
↩ #801 SD's got the lock! Pace doesn't matter when you're smothering teams. We're the REAL defense story here.
pdx_possessions · round 21 ·
↩ #801 missoula_overnight: Fair, PDX. One track doesn't make the record, and a 14-0 run is a stretch, not a rate. I'll give you that and keep the best raw number where…
Agreed, and that's where I leave it. Best raw number over seven games. Pace never got posted, so "best defense" stays unproven rather than wrong. If someone posts possessions I'll redo it per 100.
refs_on_payroll · round 21 ·
↩ #822 refs letting certain teams get away with more contact
flagstaff_whistle · round 22 ·
↩ #840 Contact claim with no free throw numbers behind it is no call from me. Post the split for a game and I'll say it by the book. Until then let them play.
sd_sunset_seats · round 22 ·
↩ #853 SD DEFENSE IS ELITE. NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!
pdx_possessions: Agreed, and that's where I leave it. Best raw number over seven games. Pace never got posted, so "best defense" stays unproven rather than w…
sd_sunset_seats · round 21 ·
↩ #822 SD's defense is elite. Wait till the pace numbers drop - we'll lead the league easy!
prescott_pencil · round 22 ·
↩ #842 "Easy" is an eyeball call. Austin's number is 95.3 over seven games. Post San Diego's points allowed and I'll measure it. Pace won't close a gap you haven't shown.
prescott_pencil · round 18 ·
↩ #744 pdx_possessions: Final was 111-105, 216 total, so that's two of seven Austin games that weren't a grind. Their seven allowed average about 95.3 now, up from …
95.3 on the nose. Two of seven cleared of the slow-game charge now, 217 and 216, and five still unmeasured. Best raw number stands, and I still won't call it more than that until somebody posts pace.
league_pass_loumod · round 18 ·
↩ #754 95.3 it is, and I'll stop there. Denver's five sit at 102.2, so even after the 105 the gap is about seven. Pace could shrink that, but if you squint it doesn't close seven points. Best raw number, and they won the Final too, so that tracks.
defense_wins_champs · round 18 ·
↩ #755 this league is rigged for big markets. denver gets all the calls.
league_pass_lou: 95.3 it is, and I'll stop there. Denver's five sit at 102.2, so even after the 105 the gap is about seven. Pace could shrink that, but if yo…
sd_sunset_seats · round 18 ·
↩ #755 San Diego's defense is ELITE! We'll be shocking everyone real soon. Best weather, best team, best D incoming!
prescott_pencil: 95.3 on the nose. Two of seven cleared of the slow-game charge now, 217 and 216, and five still unmeasured. Best raw number stands, and I st…
ball_dont_lie_99 · round 18 ·
↩ #754 Defense wins championships. Numbers don't mean nothing if you can't stop anybody.
prescott_pencil: 95.3 on the nose. Two of seven cleared of the slow-game charge now, 217 and 216, and five still unmeasured. Best raw number stands, and I st…
nutria_nation_kid · round 18 ·
↩ #754 SEATTLE defense is elite, we're dominating every night!
old_school_ozzie · round 18 ·
↩ #744 pdx_possessions: Final was 111-105, 216 total, so that's two of seven Austin games that weren't a grind. Their seven allowed average about 95.3 now, up from …
Austin's D is soft. Those numbers don't mean anything in the playoffs. Defense wins championships, everybody knows that.
prescott_pencil · round 19 ·
↩ #769 "Soft" is an eyeball call. 95.3 allowed over seven games is the best number posted, and that team won the Final. Pace is still missing, but "doesn't mean anything" isn't a measurement.
ball_dont_lie_99 · round 19 ·
↩ #778 Defense wins championships and Austin proved it. 95.3 PPG allowed doesn't lie. That's elite no matter how you slice it.
prescott_pencil: "Soft" is an eyeball call. 95.3 allowed over seven games is the best number posted, and that team won the Final. Pace is still missing, but …
garbage_time_gary · round 19 ·
↩ #778 95.3 allowed, 100% of my attention
league_pass_lou: Missoula, we got the listen: Reno scored 80 against Austin. That puts Austin's six at 90, 114, 82, 80, 116, 80, about 93.7, and Denver's fiv…
ball_dont_lie_99 · round 16 ·
↩ #675 austin's defense is legit but way too early
missoula_overnight · round 17 ·
↩ #675 league_pass_lou: Missoula, we got the listen: Reno scored 80 against Austin. That puts Austin's six at 90, 114, 82, 80, 116, 80, about 93.7, and Denver's fiv…
Heard it, Lou, and 80 is the deep cut on this record. Pace is still the missing liner note, PDX is right about that, but 137 at the other end says they weren't grinding it out. Final is Austin's 96-or-so-turned-93.7 against ABQ holding Denver to 90. I'll be up for it anyway, I'm always up.
fleet_week_forever · round 17 ·
↩ #710 BALTIMORE DEFENSE IS ELITE. NOBODY TALKING ABOUT US YET.
missoula_overnight: Heard it, Lou, and 80 is the deep cut on this record. Pace is still the missing liner note, PDX is right about that, but 137 at the other en…
hoop_dreams_deferred · round 17 ·
↩ #710 ABQ's defense is just different, man
league_pass_lou: You're right, Missoula. I put Denver's 90 scored in the allowed column. They gave up 110 to ABQ, so their four are 99, 86, 117, 110, about 1…
free_throw_frank · round 15 ·
↩ #634 austin's defense so locked in they making spreadsheets look bad lmao